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Posted by brett on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 at 8:50 AM:
How can anyone take him seriously.....?
He's a propaghandist who distorst the truth.
His so called "documentaries" are always riddled with falsehoods and sometimes even outright lies. Even the mightly left wing bastien that is CNN has challenged several of his "facts" in this movie. That should be the first clue that this guy is a lying propaghandist - when the left wing media questions you!!!
(no i'm not conditioned - anyone with a 7th grade education can google his facts and prove that many of them are wrong and that he is spinning them in ways they should not be spun)
Wes... seriously...bro.... if you buy this guys load of crap - hook, line, and sinker, then you may be living in a fantasy land..... How's the weather?
Let's take his premises for sicko that socialized health care should be in play and come to a conclusion....
Taxes - Socialized health care countries pay approx 50% or more of their income to taxes to support these systems. (oops I'm sorry his country of choice - CUBA - doesnt pay taxes - they just pay with their blood and freedom by a dictator who jails and kills anyone who opposses him) - do u really want this?
Red tape - socialized health care is strife with red tape and nothing can get done in this system in a timely manner - can u imagine having a pregnancy in this system????
length of wait - in Europe where these systems are prevelant it can take you 6 mo's or more to get needed care. A mammogram can take this long just to be scheduled. To check this fact just ask anyone who has lived in the UK for a majority of their life and they will confirm this.
the government - do u really think the government can efficiently run a health care system? we cant keep illegal mexicans out of the country, how can the goverment treat 300 million americans in an efficent manner?
if you disagree with these 4 statements then you need to open your eyes to whats really going on. is our health care system perfect? no. is socialized medicine perfect? no no no no. its worse. could the government step in with subsidise to help the less fortunate attain health care? absolutely - and this is what we should be working towards.
Good to know that your $15 will go to help Michael Moore kick up his feet in the huge mansion he lives in.
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Posted by Wes & Claire on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 at 12:07 PM:
I'll get around to reading and responding to this sometime. But I can generally turn on Sean Hannity to get this cut and paste talking-point opinion. You're Michael Moore analysis is garbage. His movie isn't the manifesto toward social medicine...it is the packaged, entertaining argument for the masses to get people thinking. SiCKO isn't the first time I have heard the word "social medicine". And Wolf Blitzer and his pharmaceutical sponsors got tore up by Moore.
No, Mr. Hannity, I don't live in a fantasy land. No, wait...I AM in fantasy land. Because reality is full of greedy... [Vulgar analogy edited from this blog, for the kids. But a really good vulgar analogy. Don't bother looking, I deleted the original, too. =)]
Oh yeah, about your "liberal media" theory. That is garbage, too. Is our goverment divided up between two opposing parties with two separate belief systems? That is also garbage. That is YOUR fantasy land. It is a game of ping-pong, and we are the cats moving our heads back and forth, in awe of the moving ball. The reality is that the media is owned, our government is owned, and you are owned. There is no liberal or conservative, only who has the money. Why are the Democrats getting all the biggest corporate donors now? Because the corps know a Democrat will win...so the buy off begins now.
So again, you can be on the side of money...or you can be on the side of people.
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Posted by brett on Friday, July 20, 2007 at 5:40 PM:
Wes your seriously out of whack with the real world bro.
These endless hours of PBS watching have brainwashed you to the point of no return. You seriously need to get cable back in the ole homestead. Your losing your sack without Sportcenter. The internet and the vast blogs are turning u into one paranoid conspiracy laden dude.
Yes - the gov is divided into 2 sides... have u not been paying attention? Let me know where the 3rd, 4th, 5th sides are when you can find them. There is always a slight middle ground but even those on the middle lean one way. And the rest of the country just doesnt care and goes along with the flow. (ie the losers that dont vote)
Both sides have the money - and a lot of it - this doesnt mean everyone is owned - (generalizations will get u into trouble my man)... so by the way who owns your truly?
Corp donors always give big to both sides - its usually almost 50/50 so they hedge their bets, the buyoff isnt beginning now, its been going on for ages. (you really are a rook at these political tirades but your getting better.)
Anyone who can claim a Michael Moore movie is anything other than a propagandist piece of film designed to further his agenda and stuff his pockets with money (hmm...maybe u should take your own advice about the money, greed, etc) is misguided indeed.
Moore doesnt tear anyone up..... ....he spews hate, lies, and vitriol to those he disagrees with. And he always looks like an ass in the processes. This man is a piss poor role model for anyone - let alone for u.
I truly feel sorry for u if you honestly believe this way.
As grimes said to homer........... "if u lived in any other country but this one you'd have been dead long ago"....... to which bart replied.... "he's got u there dad"
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Posted by Wes & Claire on Friday, July 20, 2007 at 11:59 AM:
Ha. Thanks for the condolences and am glad you feel sorry for me. I am a sad soul with no cable. But I also feel sorry for you. Your proclaimed cable-reliance, and putting down those that choose to go without, pretty much debunks anything you say. For anyone that thinks cable keeps you in the real world (what I would call your "fantasy land") is a sad, sad being. You need TV shows for something to do at night. That's fine. TIVO makes a great companion. And don't even get me started on Sportscenter.
I am an idiot for blogging or something? "Vast blogs"? It's called writing. Just because it is on the internet makes it a blog, I suppose. Would it be called a blog in a newspaper? It has a little more merit than "huge Sportscenter fan". Or "I heart Dan Patrick".
"Yes - the gov is divided into 2 sides... have u not been paying attention? Let me know where the 3rd, 4th, 5th sides are when you can find them."
Man, I at least thought you would have a clue as to what I am talking about. Maybe a strong disagreement, but at least a clue. That isn't to say it is complex. It's not like I thought it up. I am talking about 1 side. Not "3rd, 4th, 5th sides." The two-party system ultimately works together for the common goal of profit and protecting big business's legal obligation to maximize profit at the expense of the public.
Issues like immigration don't get decided on (as you said) because it ultimately is not in the interest of their true constituents. In fact, corporate and economical reliance on illegal immigrants is something they will ultimately protect. Mexicans aren't going anywhere. Immigration is a ping-pong ball. The two-party system has been a big success for a long time for the single purpose of making you think you have a choice. Why are 3rd party candidates always blocked from late-season debates? If you think that this Democrat/Republican tag-team is a conspiracy, then you should cut back on the Sportscenter. Or the cable. Or whatever commercial-filled bliss you use to waste the time. That includes the "liberal" media.
"Both sides have the money - and a lot of it - this doesnt mean everyone is owned - (generalizations will get u into trouble my man)... so by the way who owns your truly?"
Well, Sportscenter, for one. Consumers that eat crap foods are owned (thus leading to bad health and feeding your precious health-care industry. A vicious, profitable cycle indeed.). Consumers that buy lots of stuff they don't need are owned, especially since most products have built-in obsolescence which requires said consumer to come back for more. How is that for some generalizations? No trouble here, my man. I just generalized you three times. I know you won't like hearing it, but you are easily generalizable.
"Corp donors always give big to both sides - its usually almost 50/50 so they hedge their bets, the buyoff isnt beginning now, its been going on for ages."
50/50 my ass. I will give you props if you support that data instead of spewing crap. Republicans have always been the biggest corporate moneymakers in Washington. Company A will always give money to both parties, but never 50/50. Yes, the Democrat presidential buyoff is beginning now. I had to say it again to get it through your big head. Of course both parties have always taken money from the same corporation, that doesn't even require opening a book. However, they aren't giving the same amount of money to Mitt Romney than they are to Hillary. They are giving most of it to Democrats for a reason.
(hmm...maybe u should take your own advice about the money, greed, etc)
I hope that was to Michael Moore. Because if it was to me, you obviously know nothing about me.
No need to argue Michael Moore any more. He has been polarizing folks for 18 years...moreso since Fahrenheit. If you love Fox News and their super awesome red, white, and blue graphics, that's cool. You like pretty lights and cool sounds. Sportscenter has similar flashy objects. Way cool! Yeah! Wait...isn't Fox News the biggest Propagandist on television? Shame, shame. That, or you read other propaganda like FreeRepublic.com or the like. Did you misspell "propaghandist" because you listen to Propaghandi? I hope not, because that would be the biggest contradiction of all time. Why do you listen to punk rock anyway? I don't see the connection.
You're talking-down style is amusing. I am glad you think that I am somehow less-read than you and a "rook". It doesn't work though, and you are wrong. Your opinion isn't anything new. In fact, it is pretty shallow, pretty status quo, and pretty arrogant. I don't know if you thought your responses were cute little smarty-pants quibs or something, but you should have expected this response.
-Calling someone a loser because they don't vote is pretty lame, too. I have never missed an election, but I wouldn't go there. You should read what abolitionist and my fellow-Christian William Lloyd Garrison wrote about why he and his comrades didn't vote. Good stuff. If he is a loser, then I can't even fathom what kind of terrible human-being I am.
One great thing I thought of in these tirades... The progression of personal socio-political thought is an amazing thing. As in, looking about at a younger Wes, say 18 years old. That Wes had a similar ethos than I do now, just less mature. I find it fascinating that you can always learn and grow your brain into something bigger and stronger. Like Unicron devouring planet after planet. Unicron was always a bad mofo, but gets even badder with every planet he consumes. After all, he could consume planets ever since his conception. I have hope that everyone adopts this attitude. A different kind of consumer! A consumer of information, void of Babylon's distractions. Just thinking about what 10 more years will bring has me even more hungry.
But what really made me think of this, is that I have said hello and goodbye to opinions like yours long ago (the "Hello" was like passing a gimpy stranger on the sidewalk, not over a cup of coffee). It's like you are stuck in headline-land. Your cable hasn't taught you anything over the years. You just aren't right. Despite what you think. That goes for any response, as well.
That, and you write "you" as "u". Do you dot your i's with hearts, too?
You were once this planet.
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